Godzilla Forever wrote:@ EE: Yes, we all know there are mistakes. But nothing is perfect. You can't expect everyone to be convicted correctly all the time, unfortunately. And if you're a murderer, I don't think you can rehabilitate them as you could a drug or alchohol addict. Like animals, once they taste blood, I don't think you can take them back.
Disagree with the animal statement. Look at the Michael Vick dogs. They're rehabilitated, and it was about 70 dogs. Lions aggressive toward people in Africa were even rehabilitated.
Evil Eye wrote:Tyrannosaurus Titanus wrote:Evil Eye wrote:That's exactly where your incorrect. There are situations other than the two you mentioned, and serial murder just for the sake of killing.
You should prooobably explain, instead of being vague. Your argument isn't looking so good because of it.
Indeed, probably
What I mean is... take this instance, for example: this kid grows up in the slums or some gang-ridden place, born to unwealthy parents who fight and may even have to kill to survive, etc. He grows up all his life doing the same, around violence and whatnot, so he doesn't know, even if not lawfully, then morally, that it's wrong.
That was kind of a bad example, but I'm ******* tired and cant think of better right now D=<
Totally agreed. Upbringing has so much to do with things. I wouldn't go as far as to say it justifies it, but it definitely plays a role. It's all about mentality, really. Depends on how much they can handle and still get through.
I saw the post about the English teacher. To me it basically matters on how vulnerable your mind really is. People react differently to the same situations. Maybe this teacher had help during this time, IE, a counselor. Maybe she had an "escape" to the situation or was even on medication. You never really know the full story of things, there's people on medication for mental problems walking around the streets.
Think about this. Say two countries bomb each other. US and Canada bomb each other. A Canadian kid on a school bus sees his mom blown to pieces by an American soldier. What is that kid thinking? I hate Americans. American kid is walking in a store and a Canadian officer holds them hostage and kills people. What is the kid thinking? I hate Canadians. They associate Canadians and Americans with blowing things up.
It does definitely depend on what you're exposed to. What happens around you definitely does affect how you will react to certain things, and your behavior. People make associations in their mind. A good example.. what is the first thing you think of when you go to the doctor? Getting a shot? Something painful? Children screaming? Or getting a simple checkup and chit chatting with the doctor and receptionist/secretary?
It depends on the experience. I LOVE psychology. Associations is used in dog training as well. A dog is abused by a tall man. The dog is now scared of tall men. Every time you see a "Tall man" you give the dog a treat. They associate treats with tall men. And treats are good. Therefore, tall men are a good thing. Same thing with the Vick dogs. They were brought up and CONDITIONED to fight. They had to basically do reverse psychology on them.
The same thing can happen with people. Little do any of you know I'm partially on this forum to get positive interaction with people in the least confrontational way possible- the internet. The internet is not confrontational.
I was teased for 8-9 yrs total. I began to associate people that are the same age as myself as, well, immature morons. It's not intentional. It's just psychology. If that's what you're exposed to, it can be associated with that specific thing. To fight it off is a bit of a task in itself, and again, it depends on the person and how they will react. It depends on THE person. The individual, and whether or not they ARE getting help to fight off that specific association.
It's also about control. If you can't control yourself, then you're going to do something totally insane. You need to rid of associations. It's uneasy, it's harder to do than it sounds (given I fear half the people I meet in person) but it can be done. Associations can lead into depression. Depression can get people to snap in more ways than one. Controlling your mind is needed, and again, that depends on how someone will react..
Associations can lead into violence. You again need control, and it again depends on how that person will react..
The teasing brings up the idea of Fight or Flight. Someone is teased. They associate all people who are 20 years old to be a**holes.
they:
a) totally snap and shoot up a school.
b) totally snap and fear everything on the planet, sitting in the corner of a dark room.
c) get help, rid of associations in the best way possible and control themselves and their mind/what they think to do during rough times.
Just my .. 50 cents.. I like psychology so I was quick to get into this.
EDIT:
These guys were in a country that was in the war. Now, I don't want this to turn into what the cause of the war was, but you're seeing people on BOTH SIDES being blown up. You associate the GROUP that blew him up with violence. You see innocent people as enemies. Therefore, you injure them. You kill them, you mock them.
That's my take on the actual soldier situation.
Proof of my point above about bullying was the story of a few years ago.. A college kid massacred a college. The Virginia Tech Massacre. Now..
The person who did this was never accepted and teased. If he had been Mr. Popularity or gave himself help he probably wouldn't have killed people in a college.