Random Topic V3

[Giratina93]

Then tell me, TT... just what are the normal (Bad) anime qualities?

To th evast majority of people who watch DBZ, it is a Japanese Anime... it's got filler, it originally came out in Japan... It has Norio Wakamoto as a voice actor (He did the voice for Cell in the original Japanese version)... sounds like a standard great Anime to me...

[Hopeflower]

Computer is officially all but dead.my uncle should be here to pick it up within a few days. However I dunno how long it will take to fix. So until then I am on my sisters iPod. I'll be on whenever I can.

[Evil Eye]

Nope. DBZ lacks normal anime qualities (AKA bad qualities) so I still say its not.

Do you refer to the moralizing they all seem to have? "If you never give up you'll always achieve blah blah"? That's the one thing about lots of anime that I can't stand, it's so tacky.
Regardless, there are exceptions to every rule (including the rule about exceptions). Whether or not it's good, as opposed to the rest of anime, IYO, it still is anime.

[TyrannoTitan]

Then tell me, TT... just what are the normal (Bad) anime qualities?

To th evast majority of people who watch DBZ, it is a Japanese Anime... it's got filler, it originally came out in Japan... It has Norio Wakamoto as a voice actor (He did the voice for Cell in the original Japanese version)... sounds like a standard great Anime to me...

I'll summarize in a word you'll understand: Fan service.

Also who the **** watches it in Japanese. DBZ isn't DBZ without Faulconer music and traditional voices.

[Godzilla Forever]

Dragon Ball (ドラゴンボール Doragon Bōru?) is an award-winning Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Akira Toriyama. It was originally serialized in Weekly Shōnen Jump from 1984 to 1995; later the 519 individual chapters were published into 42 tankōbon volumes by Shueisha. Dragon Ball was inspired by the Chinese folk novel Journey to the West. It follows the adventures of Son Goku from his childhood through adulthood as he trains in martial arts and explores the world in search of the seven mystical orbs known as the Dragon Balls, which can summon a wish-granting dragon when gathered. Along his journey, Goku makes several friends and battles a wide variety of villains, many of whom also seek the Dragon Balls for their own desires.

The 42 tankōbon have been adapted into two anime series produced by Toei Animation: Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, which together were broadcast in Japan from 1986 to 1996. Additionally, Toei has developed seventeen animated feature films and three television specials, as well as a short-lived anime sequel titled Dragon Ball GT, which takes place after the events of the manga. From 2009 to 2011, Toei broadcast a revised, faster-paced version of Dragon Ball Z under the name of Dragon Ball Kai, in which most of the original version's footage not featured in the manga was removed. Several companies have developed various types of merchandising such as a collectible trading card game, and a large number of video games.

The manga series was licensed for an English-language release in North America by Viz Media, in the United Kingdom by Gollancz Manga, and in Australia and New Zealand by Chuang Yi. The entire anime series has been licensed by Funimation Entertainment for an English-language release in the United States, although the series has not always been dubbed by the same studio. In China, a live-action film adaptation was produced in 1989. In 2002, 20th Century Fox acquired the rights to produce an American-made live-action film that received a negative reception from critics and fans; the movie was released on April 10, 2009 in the United States.

Since its release, Dragon Ball has become one of the most successful manga and anime series of all time. The manga's 42 volumes have sold over 152 million copies in Japan and over 300 million copies worldwide. Reviewers have praised the art, characterization, and humor of the story. The anime, particularly Dragon Ball Z, is also highly popular in various countries and was arguably one of the most influential in boosting the popularity of Japanese animation in Western culture.

Deny all you want. It's an anime.

And american shows and cartoons have Fanservice in them too, so your point is as stupid as your discriminatory speech.

[TyrannoTitan]

Which is why DBZ isn't (in my book) an anime.

Key words: In my book.

And I was trying to be careful, but you've forced my hand. Its a bunch of stereotypical over sexualized ********.

ALWAYS.

Anime that is.

[Godzilla Forever]

American things are no better. We can be pretty stereotypical ourselves of other countries....

And, once again, we have fanservice stuff as well in our shows. Saying that it's all "stereotypical over sexualized ********" is like calling all cowboy movies "gung-ho mindless shooters that revolve aroudn some stupid plot and feature mostly white people". Yeah, lots are like that, but there are quite a few that defy the rules.

[TyrannoTitan]

Yes, but this is my personal opinion of anime. When you turn a corner and get shot in the face 5 times in a row, the 6th time, you expect to be shot in the god damn face.

If I watch 5 different animes and find they all suffer from the same cancer, then obviously its logical to assume they all do until proven otherwise.

[Godzilla Forever]

True, true.... but, with your logic, any anime that is not suffering from such problems are automatically not an Anime (case and point: DBZ), so you would end up saying all the good ones are NOT Anime and all the bad ones ARE. So, what I'M saying is that I think that you will never be able to see Anime differently because you deny accepting there are both good and bad ones!

See, this is the reason I end up not being optimistic..... people smash down my attempts at change.

[TyrannoTitan]

Never said if they are too good they aren't anime. I just said I don't consider DBZ anime, because A: It lacks the fan service ********, B: It doesn't follow traditional anime trends like having a socially awkward/slightly nerdish male lead who every female in the series throws themselves at and yet remains clueless, and C: Was broadcasted on american television during normal hours on basic cable networks, unlike other anime which were confined to Adult Swim one day of the week.

DBZ is unique, which is why I don't consider it an anime. I have yet to find a "good" anime free of things I mentioned above.

[Godzilla Forever]

Finding an anime without one of those traits is like trying to find a monster movie that lacks a monster in it. No point in looking for the impossible. Might as well find one that is halfway decent and see if it was really worth your time.

[Iceking]

Been trying to find a trailer of the remake of John Carpenter's "The Thing" that's coming out this year, but the ones I found have all been fake so far.

[Godzilla Forever]

@ IK: I believe they showed a trailer for the prequel at Halloween horror nights, but you may be able to find it in a few months (it comes out this october).

[Giratina93]

Which is why DBZ isn't (in my book) an anime.

Key words: In my book.

And I was trying to be careful, but you've forced my hand. Its a bunch of stereotypical over sexualized ********.

ALWAYS.

Anime that is.

Always?

...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

As the person here who knows th emost about Anime... I have to say, that is a load of crud.

Sure, there's quite abit of Anime that fits your first two points... but there are loads more that don't... not all ANime is "Over-sexualized" stuff...

But that's all aside, here on the longest day of the year!

[Evil Eye]

I think there's plenty of lesser known ones that don't follow what he said at all.

[TyrannoTitan]

I have yet to find one that isn't ridiculous in one form or another. And this is coming from someone who loves DBZ, so they need to be pretty ******* ridiculous.

NGE is an example. Awesome battles, awesome creatures, awesome back story, absolutely disgusting character development.

[Giratina93]

...I can already... see the ending!

[C S]

TT I thought we established that a certain...incident...was not character development in NGE <.>

[Galaxia]

Good to see that "terrance" thing in the rpg section has been removed now,not sure if anyone else noticed it but I'm still glad things have been put back into order so to speak

[Godzilla Forever]

Dammit, I thought I ended this pointless conflict!